@ericschiller: How useful are models like spiral dynamics at helping us grow? Or do they just show us the path, but not the steps? @ericblue: @ericschiller I've thought about that quite a bit. the models are helpful in 'showing the path', or giving you a flashlight in the cave.
@ericblue: @ericschiller I've been thinking of ways to balance theoretical (top-heavy conceptual models) w/ pragmatic use. How can you apply in life.
@NeillGibson: @ericschiller @ericblue interesting link on spiral dynamics = Rich Carlson’s critique of Integral Theory http://bit.ly/25Syv
@ericblue: @NeillGibson @ericschiller Good critique of SD, Integral & theories in general @ http://tinyurl.com/puser8 (was my 1st intro to Integral)
Who needs theories, anyways?
"My first and probably biggest question about this book and Wilber’s work in general is: Why on earth do we need a Theory of Everything? Life already gives us the everything, so what’s the use in having a theory about everything? Doesn’t the extra layer of theory add also a layer of distance, a separation between us and the everything? Do I need a theory about how locomotion works into the grand scheme of the universe in order to run across a field in spring-time with a dog? Do I need to know the biological mechanisms that control love, sex and attraction to be totally captivated by the sleeping face of the woman I’m in love with? I guess I’m beginning to feel less and less interested in theory for it’s own sake. I find myself drawn increasingly to the approach that fields like Neuro-Linguistic Programming take; they say, “we don’t have a theory” and instead just focus on what works and what doesn’t."This is a very good point.
".... you can sit on your meditation mat for decades, and you will NEVER see anything resembling the stages of Spiral Dynamics. And you can study Spiral Dynamics till the cows come home, and you will NEVER have a satori. And the integral point is, if you don't include both, you will likely never understand human beings or their relation to Reality, divine or otherwise."
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http://eric-blue.com/2008/12/18/integral-vision-mind-maps/
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http://eric-blue.com/2009/05/17/spiral-dynamics-mind-map/